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Friday, July 15, 2011

Loopholes for CINOs?

Washington D.C., Jul 15, 2011 / 10:08 am (CNA).- The U.S. bishops’ “Faithful Citizenship” document on Catholics’ voting responsibilities should be revised to remove “loopholes” that allow Catholics to vote for pro-abortion politicians, two political commentators have said.

“Why should a Catholic voter feel the weighty obligation to oppose ‘intrinsically evil acts’ when the bishops themselves provide three different loopholes to put that concern aside?” asked Catholic Advocate president Deal Hudson and Catholic Advocate vice president Matt Smith in a July 14 statement.

Without changes, they warned, the document will provide Catholic voters “another carte blanche to cast their vote for any pro-abortion candidate they want.”

The two writers focused on sections 34 to 37 from the 2008 version of “Faithful Citizenship,” which is revised every four years.

One passage said a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s “unacceptable position” may decide to vote for that candidate for “other morally grave reasons.” This voting is permissible only for “truly grave moral reasons” and not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences.

This passage was “confusing” in light of a previous statement that a Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes a position “in favor of an intrinsic evil” if he or she intends to support that position. The document then says that a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference to “other important moral issues” concerning human life and dignity.

Hudson and Smith said this passage means a Catholic could vote for a pro-abortion candidate as long as he or she did not intend to support his pro-abortion position.

“The practical consequence of this statement is clear: Catholics can vote for any pro-abortion politician they want -- all they have to do is have the right intention,” they contended.

The two also said the document allows a Catholic voter to vote for pro-abortion politicians so long as they do not advance that “morally flawed position” but would “pursue other authentic goods.”

No substantial edits are planned for the 2008 version of Faithful Citizenship, which Hudson and Smith said is a problem that needs to be remedied. The document can be clarified by the U.S. bishops at their November 2011 meeting in Baltimore.

The passages capable of “overbroad implementation” were used by groups like Catholics United and Catholic Democrats, who “cherry-picked” the passage about voting for a candidate “for other morally grave reasons.

Hudson was an advisor to the George W. Bush presidential campaign on Catholic outreach, while Smith also served on the Bush campaign and in the Bush administration. Their Catholic Advocate organization encourages Catholic participation in politics to support policies that are “consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church.”

Individual bishops have said that voting for a pro-abortion candidate is never justified when the opponent is pro-life, the two noted.

Texas Bishops Kevin Vann of Fort Worth and Kevin Farrell of Dallas have said that there are no truly grave moral reasons that “could outweigh the millions of innocent human lives that are directly killed by legal abortion each year.”

(End of story, my comments follow.)

Hey, makes sense to me. I've known & heard of too many supposed Catholics who voted for BO and claimed they were in the clear regarding the "Faithful Citizenship" document. IMO the thing was deliberately vague so the USCCCB could refrain from outright condemnation of the Democrats and their party platform.

If anyone thinks I'm being too harsh on our "esteemed" bishops, look to how they soft pedaled any condemnation of our involvement in Libyan regime change. They couldn't pigpile on the Bush Administration fast enough when we went into Iraq but how much noise has been made about the Libyan excursion? It was all about politics.

For the Catholic leadership in this nation to have real credibility it has to speak strongly and convincingly on all topics, not just those it likes for political reasons. It has to look at current events with a mind informed by and faithful to the Catechism. There'll be a lot more pissed off people then and a lot of them may be Democrats, but there'll also be a much better clarity in the Church's positions.

End of story.


Most Rev. Gregori said...

I suppose then that the same reasoning can be given for voting for pro-gay politicians or any other morally bankrupt politician.

Heck, how about Catholics excusing all the sins of others and themselves as long as they have the right intentions, what ever that may be.

PattyinCT said...

2 thoughts here:
This is exactly how 80% of our Catholic Bishops voted for Barack.

The Catholics I debated over this document cited that McCain was in favor of war and Obama would NEVER start a war on his own...Great...One more reason to vote this idiot out in 2012...

Subvet said...

MRG, yep we should just go with intentions. That'll take us down a well paved road. (Yeah, I know your comment was sarcasm. Just following along).

Subvet said...

Patty, bingo on how our bishops excused their votes for BO.

The idea that he'd never start a war on his own is working out so well in Libya. At least Bush got the official "okey-dokey" from Congress when we got into Iraq & Afghanistan.

WomanHonorThyself said...

For the Catholic leadership in this nation to have real credibility it has to speak strongly and convincingly on all topics, not just those it likes for political reasons..

amen Subvet! .p.s. I'm backkkkkk! :)

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