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A Catholic who follows Rome & the Magisterium. I'm against gay "marriage", abortion, embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, human cloning. Altar girls, Communion in the hand, Eucharistic Ministers and "Protestant" music in the Church doesn't bother me at all. A proud American retired submarine sailor. Our borders should be secured with a 10 ft. high fence topped by concertina wire with minefields out to 20 yards on both sides and an additional 10 yards filled with warning signs outside of that Let's get energy independent NOW! Back Israel to the max, stop appeasing followers of the Pedophile Prophet. Pro 2nd Amendment, pro death penalty, Repeal all hate crime legislation. Back the police unless you'd rather call a hippie when everything hits the fan. Get government out of dealing with education, childhood obesity and the enviornment. Stop using the military for sociological experiments and if we're in a war don't micromanage their every move. Kill your television, limit time on the computer and pick up a book. God's will be done and may He have mercy upon us all.

Saturday, July 09, 2011

Arbp Dolan on same sex "marriage" and it's consequences...

New York City, N.Y., Jul 8, 2011 / 05:25 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- After marriage was redefined to include same-sex couples in New York, Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan is warning that this step could lead to a further redefinition that accepts multiple partners and infidelity.

The New York City archbishop said that in recent decades, the Church has been a prophetic voice warning that no-fault divorce, contraception, cohabitation and promiscuity would lead to “a cheapening of the marriage bond and harm our kids.”

“And now we ring the steeple bell again at this latest dilution of the authentic understanding of marriage, worried that the next step will be another redefinition to justify multiple partners and infidelity,” he said.

The archbishop surveyed the effects of the June 24 passage of New York's same-sex “marriage” law in a July 7 post on his official blog, “The Gospel in the Digital Age.”

In an apparent response to the argument advanced in the New York Times and elsewhere that the Church shrank from openly fighting the legislation in his state, Archbishop Dolan said he and his brother bishops “were on the frontiers” against the bill in their writings, sermons, personal lobbying, and interviews.

He said the bishops were also backed up “by indefatigable efforts” from the New York State Catholic Conference, ecumenical and inter-religious cooperation, and thousands of Catholic faithful.

“We have been bloodied, and bruised, and, yes, for the moment, we have been defeated. But, we’re used to that. So was the Founder of our Church,” he wrote.

He said that while Catholics have no concern for political “clout” or how they're perceived in the media, “we do worry indeed” about our freedom of religion, would could potentially be threatened by same-sex “marriage” legislation.

“Editorials already call for the removal of guarantees of religious liberty, with crusaders calling for people of faith to be coerced to acceptance of this redefinition,” he said.

Archbishop Dolan noted that ironically, “the real forces of 'intolerance' were unmasked” in the debate by those defending traditional marriage being consistently depicted as “right-wing bigots and bullies.”

However, he added, “the problem is not homophobia but theophobia – a hatred by some of God, faith, religion, and the Church.”

Archbishop Dolan also said he's worried that the new law and similar legislation around the U.S. will stifle religious rights.

“If the experience of those few other states and countries where this is already law is any indication,” believers “will soon be harassed, threatened, and hauled into court for their conviction that marriage is between one man, one woman,” he said.

The New York archbishop underscored that from the outset, the goal of Catholics in the fight “was pro-marriage, never anti-gay.”

“As I replied recently to a reporter who asked if I had any message to the gay community, 'Yes: I love you. Each morning I pray with and for you and your true happiness and well-being. I am honored that so many of you are at home within our Catholic family, where, like the rest of us, we try, with the help of God’s grace and mercy, to conform our lives to Jesus and His message.'”

Archbishop Dolan insisted that ultimately, regardless of same-sex “marriage” legislation and subsequent intolerance for religious beliefs, the Church always has and will stand “up for marriage – one man and one woman, united in lifelong and faithful love.”

“None of this is anti-anybody, but simply pro marriage,” he wrote.


(End of story, my comments follow.)

I think he's right on the money with this one. We're not seeing homophobia, it's a hatred of those following God that we're experiencing.

ANYTHING that the militant gays want could be had without redefining marriage. End of story. Think of how provisions for insurance, inheritance, etc. are all handled for single folks. ANYTHING that is cited as being reserved strictly for spouses of ailing/dying/dead members of our society can be had by others such as family members and close friends. If it isn't already available it could be and without the attack on religious observers that is a great part of redefining marriage.

As for the chorus of voices (my own has been amongst them) that wonder about a lack of leadership from the pulpit, we DO have our own voices to use. Waiting for Fr. Talksalot to speak out against gay "marriage" is often just a shirking of doing it ourselves.

We can take the fight to Austin or Washington, we can rally in public, we can write letters to the editor, send in our own thoughts to be used as guest columns in the local fishwrap. We're able to speak out on our own, no need to hide behind a cleric's robes.

We're able to and we should. Not just on this topic but on any where our beliefs are under assault.

Because when we stand in judgment before the Almighty, we'll stand alone. Salvation will be achieved on our own merits and nobody else's.

16 comments:

WomanHonorThyself said...

I am so sick of moral people having to defend common decency my friend...Have a super Sunday~! hugsssssssss~!

Bill said...

I don't know how to contact you but I thought you may be interested in this:http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2008/nov08/08-11-14.html#.Tc_X9Vv4TCc

Jordan said...

"I think he's right on the money with this one. We're not seeing homophobia, it's a hatred of those following God that we're experiencing. ANYTHING that the militant gays want could be had without redefining marriage[…] If it isn't already available it could be and without the attack on religious observers that is a great part of redefining marriage."

I don't know who you are referring to by "militant gays," but as a gay man whose partner died recently—and whom I could not legally marry—I can tell you truthfully that I bear no particular animosity towards people of faith. Indeed, they are not even part of the equation so far as I am concerned. All I ever wanted was to honour myself and the man I loved, in the only way I was taught how. You were free to do so with your wife, and I would like to have had the freedom to do so with my partner too.

Who you bless in your churches is of no concern to me, and I would happily defend you against interference. Equal status under law is all I ever sought.

(There's far more I could say and would like to, but it would count for far more than a simple "comment".)

Subvet said...

WHT, thanks!

Subvet said...

Bill, thanks. I found the article and it seems dead on the money. As for the complicity of the bishops in this nation, for some time they've been known as the "Democratic Party at Prayer". Thats actually an improvement over "The Judas Iscariot Fan Club" which has also been popular.

Subvet said...

Jordan, I'm sorry for your loss. I'll include your partner in my prayers this evening.

As for the term "militant gay", I use it to denote a subgroup of homosexuals who aren't content with merely being accepted. They've got to have their lifestyle promoted, to the detriment of the beliefs held by anyone not in their camp.

As an example of the lifestyle promotion, I'll cite a piece of legislation currently waiting the approval of California's governor. It's a bill that mandates the teaching of accomplishments by the GLBT in history. This will make such teaching mandatory, with no option for a child's parents to remove their kid from the class during the time the "lessons" are taught.

What is the purpose of this except to promote the "gay lifestyle"? Yes, there have been many accomplishments by homosexuals throughout human history. No dispute there. Just look at what Leonardo Da Vinci and Michaelangelo accomplished. But we don't think of them for being homosexual, we think of them for being extremely talented.

So the militant gays in California will make it a crime for anyone to practice their religion if it includes the belief that homosexuality is a grave disorder.

THAT is what I'm talking about.

Anthony S. Layne said...

Believe me, Vet, I'm with you 100% on your comments, especially the "we've got our own voices" comment near the end. At the same time, I must admit I'm sick of our parish priests "leading from behind", or even not leading at all.

Subvet said...

Anthony, you wrote " At the same time, I must admit I'm sick of our parish priests "leading from behind", or even not leading at all."

I agree. One of the most pleasant times I spent on a prolife prayer vigil was when I joined a group in North Dallas. They were led by their priest (wish I could remember what parish it was). The man was on fire, using a bullhorn to lead us all as we stood outside Presbyterian of Dallas to give our witness. He was completely in "priest" attire, the cassock, big flat hat and all. It was great to be led by an unabashed man of God.

We need more like him.

WomanHonorThyself said...

have a great week my friend>>:)

Mary Ellen/Nunly said...

In Illinois, they passed a civil union law and when they were pushing it, they said it would have absolutely no effect on the Catholic Church. But now that the law is passed, the State has declined to renew the Catholic Charity foster care program and severing the relationship with approx. 2,500 foster children and their caseworkers. The State said they are sure other agencies who are willing to comply with the civil union law would take over the caseloads. In other words, screw you Catholics!

The next on our Governor's hit list....they plan on forcing the Catholic Church to lose it's tax exemption and will force them to pay property taxes which will force the sale and close down of several Catholic Churches in DuPage County and elsewhere.

Catholic persecution is alive and kicking in Illinois.

Jordan said...

"As an example of the lifestyle promotion, I'll cite[…] a bill that mandates the teaching of accomplishments by the GLBT in history. This will make such teaching mandatory, with no option for a child's parents to remove their kid from the class during the time the 'lessons' are taught.

"What is the purpose of this except to promote the 'gay lifestyle'? Yes, there have been many accomplishments by homosexuals throughout human history. No dispute there. Just look at what Leonardo Da Vinci and Michaelangelo accomplished. But we don't think of them for being homosexual, we think of them for being extremely talented."

You have no way of knowing, but this entire topic is horribly apropos.

Jamie's funeral was on the 13th June. For some it may have been an opportunity for healing and remembrance, but not for me. I was omitted from his eulogy in favour of vague bromides about his being an "active" and "sociable" person. The fact that we spent nine years together (almost my entire adult life) was treated as a dreadful secret.

Jamie was scared to tell people at work. Losing his job was a very real possibility: a manager in charge of hiring proudly, and openly, stated that he had never employed a gay person and never would. It's illegal, unprofessional and immoral, but Jamie wasn't willing to risk it. He worked there for eleven years, and they never knew that he was gay or that I existed. Girls in his office invited him on dates, and he would awkwardly rebuff them and laugh about it when he came home.

His mother instructed that since his work colleagues would be coming she didn't want it mentioned in his eulogy that he was gay or that he had a boyfriend. Worse still, as the only person who could use a computer with any proficiency, I had to rewrite the eulogy to meet his family's approval. So it was that at his funeral, our mutual friends, my family and I listened to the celebrant reluctantly deliver a speech that scrupulously avoided the most important relationship in his life.

It's not what Jamie would have wanted.

To me, this all relates to the question at hand. When you say that we remember great figures in history not because they were gay, but because they did and thought great things… I am led to wonder, why is it not an important part of them? Is it really unimportant that da Vinci was charged (and acquitted) of sodomy as a young man, or that his art hints at private homosexual attractions? That Michaelangelo's greatest body of poetry concerned a young nobleman whom he loved, or that his nephew conspicuously changed the pronouns before publishing those poems?

The fact that their sexuality was secretive and placed them in danger of retribution is not something that should be glossed over. You would think that now, in 2011, we would have learned this lesson, but last month I suffered exquisitely to protect others from the consequences of their bigotry.

I accept that it is your earnest belief that gay people should not suppress their sexual impulses. That does not mean concealing their existence, however, and by concealing our nature, or by allowing ourselves to be concealed, we do a great disservice to the people we work and live with. I cannot help but see a strong congruence between protecting adults from recognising that their homophobia is misplaced and protecting children from learning that gay people have played important roles in the history of Western civilisation. I do not think anyone should be deprived of the important lesson that just because someone is gay does not mean they cannot also be a great and noble human being.

Certainly, recent events have influenced my opinions. I do not expect you to sympathise, but I hope you can understand why I can't possibly agree, and that it has nothing to do with "promoting" any "lifestyle" apart from that of love and acceptance of other human beings.

Subvet said...

"I do not expect you to sympathise, but I hope you can understand why I can't possibly agree, and that it has nothing to do with "promoting" any "lifestyle" apart from that of love and acceptance of other human beings."

If by sympathize you mean to promote your views, then no, I can't. But if you mean to wish you other than the pain you're obviously feeling then yes, I can.

I also understand that you won't agree with my view and that you're not the sort of person to actively push the agenda my post speaks of.

You're obviously in a lot of pain which I have no desire to increase. I'll end this now by promising to keep you and Jamie in my prayers. God bless you.

Subvet said...

Mary Ellen/Nunly, I started reading up on what's happening in your neck of the woods. Yikes! Seems the persecution of Catholics is proceeding quite quickly up there.

Subvet said...

WHT, thanks. Hope your time off is very enjoyable.

Stacy Trasancos said...

Subvet and Tony,

Have you seen Leila's guest post?

"Gay, Catholic, and Doing Fine"

Jordan, I'm sorry for your loss too. The guest poster at Leila's blog has his own new blog.

Subvet said...

Stacy, thanks for the link. Thats one hell of a brave man.

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